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This is CNN's breaking news.
Fredricka whitfield, cnn anchor: Hello everyone.
Thank you very much for joining us.
I'm Fredricka Whitfield in Washington, D. C. C.
Now thousands of people are marching across the country with a message that families belong together.
We saw a warm request from the coast to end the White House Zero --
The tolerance policy separates thousands of migrant children from their parents at the border.
There are several highlights here. (
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Unidentified Actress: I'm here as a person. (CHEERING)
A beating heart.
Someone who can feel the pain
People who understand compassion
Who can easily imagine the feeling of family struggle now. SEN.
Elizabeth WarrenD)
We need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom.
First replace ice with something that reflects our morality. (CHEERING)
Unidentified girl: My father came to the United States with $400 when he was 17.
Now he has his own business, his wife, his sister and I, a beautiful house, a beautiful community, and a proud American citizen. (SINGING)(END VIDEO CLIP)
WHITFIELD: one of the biggest protests still taking place, with various voices, just a few steps away from the White House in the US capital, Washington, D. C. C.
Diane grero is on stage right now, "Orange Is the New Black.
Her parents were deported.
Let's listen. (
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Actress Diane grero: I share my efforts to help these children face the pain they will always face.
This is not temporary. It is forever. (CHEERING)
Greg: It's for life. (APPLAUSE)
Greg: I was in a different situation 17 years ago.
I can't imagine living in a cage far away from my parents.
Stay away from anyone I know or anywhere I live.
Of course I can't imagine that I was detained with my parents in accordance with the provisions of the new policy. (CHEERING)
I was lucky not to be in a cage.
But that's just because I don't exist in the eyes of the government.
They do not consider the children left behind.
I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.
But if I was imprisoned after being separated from my family, I would have a very different story to tell.
No warm bed
Only the ice-cold face and the rough feeling of the mai la blanket. (CHEERING)
Grero: I was lucky to be with my parents before I was 14.
Let my parents tell me that I can do anything. I was special. I matter. (CHEERING)
Greello: it gives me the confidence to stick to it all my life. (CHEERING)
Greg: I don't know why I was lucky enough to have people in the community take me in.
Be able to continue school.
Or why I was lucky enough to get a job or go to college.
I know this Luck is one in a million.
I also know that if I were one of the children of today's generation, I would not have been so lucky that they would have been irrevocably destroyed by the actions of our government.
This is a denial of children's human nature.
Because they were born in difficult or dangerous places at the wrong time, they should not get a second chance. (CHEERING)
Greg: they should not seek asylum. (APPLAUSE)
Greg: How many more children are we willing to suffer from a lifetime? (CHEERING)
Grero: once my family is taken away, I am fully aware that my community is not important to some people.
We are treated differently because of our skin color or where our parents were born.
But we are now at a time when we cannot turn a blind eye to the blatant disregard of human life. (CHEERING)[13:05:14]
Grero: this time, the stakes are too obvious and the record is too good to be ignored.
You already received it.
We all received it.
Force us to ask ourselves what kind of country do we want to be?
Those who violate the rights of the child, including the basic rights to seek asylum? (SHOUTING)
Or do we want to be an America that values children, families and freedom? (CHEERING)
Grero: Let's not forget that our citizen children and our citizen children of color, whose lives are threatened every day for reasons other than immigration status. (CHEERING)
Grero: as someone who saw it with my own eyes, I gave myself hope.
I must believe that this is an opportunity for us to go beyond tyranny, ignorance, abuse and believe in change.
This is an opportunity for us to come together as a nation and transcend division and fear.
Only in this way can we stop family separation and stop the policy of keeping children in cages.
So far, let our families and children march and let our voices be heard. (CHEERING)
Greg: Remember, remember, this is November. (CHEERING)
Greg: remember this in November. (CHEERING)
Grero: Remember our anger when we go to vote. The outrage.
And the desire to act.
Keep in mind that in November, the end of these brutal policies began with us.
Mom, dad and Edmundo (ph)
I miss you every day. Thank you. (CHEERING)
WHITFIELD: Actor Diane grero performed "Orange Is the New Black" on the stage in the capital.
Today, it has become one of the largest demonstrations in the country.
Just a few steps from the White House.
The president is not there.
The president is now in New Jersey, but he must have heard the voices of people during television demonstrations across the country.
Let's go there with our reporter, Justice reporter Jessica Schneider, and our René Marsh.
Jessica, I'm looking for you first.
How do people react to what they hear on stage, and what do they promise to do from today on?
Jessica Schneider, CNN Justice Correspondent: Yes, Frederick.
It's really interesting because the rally is still held across from the White House at Lafayette Park.
We thought the march had begun, so we started.
You can see someone behind me.
When we were thinking about what to do next, I met these two people, Mary and Jean Albrecht.
You are from Virginia.
It is very interesting to chat with you.
Gene, you used to be a Republican, but what you see now is not popular.
Protester gene albrecht: Because for me, Republicans are already grabbing money and transferring wealth.
However, they no longer care about the people.
In particular, these immigration policies, for me, were not Christians at first.
For me, the separation of the family is just--
This is beyond.
Mary, you have family in Mexico.
Your sister married a Mexican man and moved to Mexico.
They have children there.
What do you think here today?
Protester Mary Albrecht: I think it would surprise me if my own family needed to seek asylum for whatever reason they had a hard time crossing the border.
They will separate my niece from their parents or the big family where I have children.
There are some people in my family that might scare me.
Schneider: What do you want this government to do?
They need to remember how our country is built.
We are based on the premise that all of us are equal, and all of us should have a place here where we have freedom and freedom to make it work.
We must work together. It's chilling.
This government should be completely-
They should be removed.
They need to leave. [13:10:01]
Schneider: Would you like to send this message to the president and Congress?
Starting from here on Capitol Hill?
What do you want them to know?
Gene albrecht: Well, I want them to hear what was said in the protest.
I really don't want this to happen.
But if enough people start talking about it-
You know, it's clear that Donald Trump has to basically reverse the child separation policy because a lot of people are against it.
Now, I hope that there are enough people who oppose policies that charge people as criminals so that some of those policies can be reversed and we can come back to morality.
Thank you, Mary and Jean Albrecht.
I know, Gene, you're nursing an injured foot and good luck walking here.
Fredricka, that's all you hear.
Many different people from all walks of life.
You have a lot of people around Washington, D. C. C. area.
But I have spoken to people from all over the country who have come here from multiple rallies.
They said they 'd been to D. C.
Women's rallies and other rallies here, but now come and make their voices heard.
Although it looks a bit bare behind us, that's because it's a bit scattered here.
People at the rally were still at Lafayette Park.
Soon they will come to Penn Avenue and then head to Capitol Hill, where they just want to flood these streets and express their anger and say their voice-Fred?
WHITFIELD: Well, Jessica, it's clear that the heat doesn't deter a lot of people.
I saw you working with a bottle of your water.
The capital of this country is very hot now.
Our René Marsh is also in Washington.
In fact, it's near the Lafayette Park that Jessica just mentioned.
How do people support it?
What is the effect of heat?
CNN aviation and government regulator Rene Marsh: Well, you know, Fred, we saw it not far from the park, and we saw a fire truck that was basically just a water jet.
We want people to stay calm.
You know, people are commenting on how warm it is, but it's actually secondary because everything they hear on stage, the stage is right behind me.
As you can see, there are still some people who have quit.
As the show at Lafayette Park begins to end, there are still many people crowded here.
They will start.
I want to take you through the crowd and show you who's here.
As Jessica said, young people, old people, people from all over the country.
We have a young lady here.
You are the mother. you are the mother of these two young ladies.
You bring them out.
They took their sign.
"What I'm afraid of is my president, not immigration.
"Tell me why you brought two daughters here today.
Unidentified women: because they must understand that they must be engaged in order to change.
We send a message to Donald Trump, the Republicans, and all his supporters that we will not stand.
We need to improve our voice.
We're leaving.
We will protest before the real change.
Marsh: Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Fred, come with me.
We will walk in the crowd here.
People hold signs.
Yes, the weather is very hot.
It does not stop anyone.
I can tell you that there are a lot of emotions here.
It's a broad mood, from the time you see some people on the stage crying, to the people who are very angry with these policies.
You are here with your two daughters.
I mean, there are too many emotions in the crowd.
How do you feel when you hear these first-hand reports about how these policies affect families-
Unidentified women: Oh, inspiration and sadness, fear of our country, and what may happen next, but inspiration is that we are here together and we are going to have this fight, start this battle and stay completecourt press.
Marsh: You know, that's what we hear.
I saw some signs here today that it's not someone else's child.
It's not just Washington and bad policies. What it is --
It's about this, but it's also about families, and it's also about recognizing that people on the border who want to come to the United States also need sympathy.
So when we talk to people through the crowd, that number-
One of the messages I keep hearing is that they want the president to hear them.
Of course, we know he's not in Washington this weekend.
He's in New Jersey.
But they also want to talk directly to immigrants who are people who want to come to the United States.
Many people say they are depressed.
Embarrassed by these policies
What they want to know is that everyone in the United States has a different feeling.
Fred, here we are.
We expect that we will start moving soon.
So we plan to start at Lafayette Park.
We will go to the Justice Department.
Then we walked along Pennsylvania Avenue.
This will, of course, be closed.
Then we will go directly to the US Air Force Base. S.
Capitol building.
This is everyone's plan in this park today.
Everyone is very enthusiastic about conveying this message, and of course, it is also televised nationwide ---Fred? [13:15:19]
WHITFIELD: OK, Rene Marsh, let's check with you.
Thank you very much.
And Jessica Schneider.
Well, we continue to focus on these rallies across the United States.
Demonstrators took to the streets to protest the separation of American families. S.
Southern border.
Protests are taking place in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.
Next, we will take you to the scene. (
Business break)(SINGING)[13:20:19]
WHITFIELD: the youth choir in the American capital.
They are now joining hundreds of people born in the capital and in many cities across the country, all in protest against the Trump administration's zero
Immigration tolerance policy.
We saw people marching in Washington. C. and New York.
We want to go to New York now. (
Pledge Allegiance)
WHITFIELD: in this parade across the Brooklyn Bridge, they pledge allegiance when they look at the Statue of Liberty.
There is Polo Sandoval of CNN.
He's joining us live.
What happened to Polo?
CNN reporter polo sandoval: Fred, the scene in New York is very similar to what happened all over the country.
As I get out of this road, we can give you a wider understanding of what's going on here, whether you believe it or not, people will continue to come to this park.
You will see some empty pockets as there are quite a few people looking on their wings to avoid the sun as it is definitely a hot day.
But that doesn't stop people from leaving here.
Of course, the unified information you'll find on stage is how to protect the family.
At the same time, there are many people here who are calling on the government to really unite and try to come up with a plan to unify the families that were separated in the days after Trump zero was implemented.
Before his executive order was signed, the policy of tolerance.
Fred, it's important to point out that I 've been talking to a lot of people who say they 've been part of this campaign for years.
Even before President Trump was sworn in, they have been protesting the way the government handles immigration. This zero-
The policy of tolerance only rekindled the cause.
So, of course, they are grateful for that and, of course, for the current concern on this issue.
This is their chance to get into the spotlight and, as they say, they are trying to influence some form of change.
Earlier today, we heard some Democratic lawmakers marching on the Brooklyn Bridge saying that November was the time for people to count.
Of course, attention may disappear.
Fred, look at this group of people.
People still cross the Brooklyn Bridge and come to this square in Brooklyn.
Demonstrations across the river
At least from Lower Manhattan. -Fred?
WHITFIELD: Polo Sandoval in New York, thank you very much.
Let's go to Chicago right now, where we can find Ryan Young from CNN.
Ryan, you march with people.
What happened?
Ryan young, CNN: We're moving along Clark Street.
Of course, they have been together for a long time.
Many conversations are about what the audience wants to hear.
You can hear the enthusiasm of the crowd.
We have been with this family.
What are you doing here today?
I saw you with a small one.
How did you come?
Why are you here?
Woman: in addition to voting on November, there are many challenges to know what we can do to change the status quo, it feels like a way to make our voices heard faster and make some kind of impact this is wrong and should not take the child away from the parents.
Yang: Can you imagine being separated from your little one?
No, don't take my baby away from me. Don't ever.
Yang: What do you want? C.
Did you hear about the parade?
Unidentified women: they need to fix it.
They need to stop this now and they need to go back and get these families together.
They did not follow the children.
They did not ensure that they could reunite.
They need to figure it out now.
Yang: Thank you very much for taking the time for us.
There's a lot of passion, Fred.
As we took you forward, the crowd extended more than a mile along the road.
The police made sure there was no traffic interruption on both sides.
But the passion you feel from the people here is huge.
In fact, when we spoke to Senator Durbin earlier, he said that he would not be on stage because he wanted the people here to have their own opinions.
One thing he talks about is making sure people don't wait until November to vote and talk about community organizations.
This is what we hear over and over again.
You see a sign like this here.
Like this person carrying something.
If you don't mind me asking you, if you have information for the president, what do you want to tell him at this point?
Man: leave the office.
Yang: are you so passionate?
Man: very. (CROSSTALK)
Unidentified male: He is the worst thing that has happened in this country.
Young man: when people walk, you will hear their enthusiasm.
The crowd is very diverse.
One thing I talked to a man about was that he said he was a soldier.
He never protested before.
He talked about how much he loved the country.
But he was very embarrassed by what happened at the border, so he felt it was his duty to come here and be marshal.
The bailiffs were walking around the street with people.
When we walk by, you see different people.
I just kind of like people when we go here.
I know, in terms of wanting to hear your voice, what brought you here today? [13:25:28]
Unidentified Woman: I just think it's important to defend your faith, and I believe that family is important, so I showed up.
Young man: What is the passion on the street?
Unidentified woman: This is very high, positive energy.
It feels like people are colliding with each other, but still like, no, you're good, you're good.
A very encouraging place.
Yang: Thank you very much.
So you heard it.
You can see people with this voice.
As you can see, people are talking about walls.
But give it back to you, Fred.
This is a collective process for quite some time.
They believe there are more than 7,000 people on the street, possibly 10,000.
It's hard for people like this to estimate-Fred?
WHITFIELD: Okay, Ryan Young from Chicago.
We're going to Portland, Oregon, and Dan Simon now.
Dan, what happened there?
Dan simon, cnn national correspondent: Hi, Fredricka.
It's a cool day in Portland.
We are in a park which is basically located in the city center.
You can see what is happening here.
But, Fred, we have to tell you that there is a 24/7 camp at ICE headquarters a few miles from us.
Starting in June 17.
We're two now. week point.
The people of the ice city formed a tent city. they didn't go anywhere.
A few days ago, we saw some people arrested by Department of Homeland Security officials.
About eight people were arrested.
The person blocking the ice entrance.
But you have this tent city around the facilities.
Fredricka, they have considerable infrastructure there.
We saw a pantry.
We see a place where children can do art and crafts.
There's the first one. aid tent.
I want you to hear what one of the protesters said. Take a look. (
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Simon: Now, the entrance is open.
You can see the police in front of the building.
Woman: Yes.
Simon: where are you going from here?
Unidentified female: this is basically a waiting game.
We need change.
Obviously, they need to keep an eye on us.
They are here as long as we are here, and we are not going anywhere.
We need to abolish these policies and institutions.
This is something that must happen. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Simon: Well, Fred, they must be in there in the long run.
The mayor of Portland, he supports what they are doing.
The police will not be used to disperse the protesters, he said.
Basically, as long as they live on city properties and do not live on federal properties, they should be able to stay there indefinitely.
We should point out that Portland is a city with a history of civic activity.
As more and more people gather in this park, we see this with our own eyes today.
We will give it back to you. -Fred?
WHITFIELD: Dan Simon from Portland, Oregon, thank you very much.
Demonstrations from the coast to the coast.
Mr. President, he's not in Washington right now. C.
But he seems to have escaped the protest. Maybe.
The demonstrators gathered at his place in New Jersey.
Next, we will take you to the scene. (
Business break)[13:33:04]
Fredricka whitfield, cnn anchor: OK, welcome back.
We are looking closely at all these demonstrations across the country.
This in Chicago.
You see how many people come up and fill the screen, well, a mile long.
People are marching.
They are chanting.
They all gathered together against the Trump administration.
A tolerant policy leading to the separation of children and their parents along the southern border.
We are also keeping a close eye on what is happening in the capital and New York.
The chairman is not here, now.
But he was in Bedminster, New Jersey, where some demonstrations followed him.
While the president may think he's got rid of it all, Boris Sanchez is with us now and let us know that people have found their way quite close to the president, right near the weekend break
Boris Sanchez, cnn correspondent: That's right, Fred.
Mark Wall, our photographer, is heading to this place.
This is a library, about three miles from the Bedminster hotel, and the organizers told us that they have gathered about 300 or 400 protesters to send a message to President Trump.
Of course, he will spend the weekend at the Bedminster hotel.
It is not clear how many riots he will see.
Although he did post on Twitter this morning, not necessarily about protests, but about his immigration policy.
He accused Democrats, like New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, of calling for the abolition of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The president advised all Democrats to do so.
Then try to draw a line between this and the landslide that the Democratic party may want to abolish all police.
Exactly where the president got it is not clear.
But he spent another weekend in Bedminster.
He posted yesterday that he might interview one or two potential candidates this weekend to replace Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy.
He announced his retirement earlier this week.
We are still trying to fight for the White House's response to these protests and whether there are any indications of how these meetings may proceed.
However, we have not heard a response yet ---Fred? [13:35:20]
WHITFIELD: Boris Sanchez, let's post from New Jersey.
Thank you very much.
So these rallies are taking place from coast to coast.
Demonstrations are about to begin in Los Angeles.
You will see the scene of people gathering in Washington.
In Chicago, there are people marching on a mile-long street. In L. A.
They are gathering.
Next, we will take you to the scene. (
Business break)[13:40:15]
WHITFIELD: OK, welcome back.
Now, we are watching demonstrations all over the country.
The Trump administration's policy on illegal border crossings and separation of children and parents was disappointed.
Crowds of protesters have also begun in Los Angeles.
That's where we found Nick Watt from CNN.
Nick, what happened there?
What are people talking about?
What is the plan from the people's scheduled appearances?
Nick watt, cnn correspondent: Well, the event is scheduled to start in about 20 minutes, at 11: 00 in the morning. m. local time.
We look forward to people from politics, la mayor Camara Harris.
Of course, there are some star effects here as Los Angeles.
We have installed the piano there and we assume that John Legend will play.
There are other people from Hollywood.
But they expect 10,000 people here.
There should be good turnout in Los Angeles, California.
Look, in the 72% election, Los Angeles won 2016 of the vote for Hillary Clinton.
California is probably the country's most undocumented population.
Speaking here today, they also tell us about the families of people affected by the immigration policy currently being enacted.
You'll see signs everywhere, "before we thought the monster was under our bed, but now the monster has come out.
"I also saw the" Oprah 2020 "button for sale.
Behind us was a gentleman in a wheelchair, a veteran who said a Muslim undocumented doctor saved my life.
We expect around 10,000 people here.
It won't start after about 20 minutes.
The crowd is gathering.
We will see exactly how many people have appeared and how many have marched to vent their frustration on an issue that clearly resonates very deeply here in California.
WHITFIELD: Well, the point of view and the real change of people.
Nick watt, thank you very much, in Los Angeles.
In the newsroom, as we continue our march from coast to coast, we are still moving a lot forward.
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WHITFIELD: Now, we are watching demonstrations all over the country.
People protest against the Trump administration.
A policy of tolerance for anyone who illegally crosses the United StatesS.
At the border, children and parents were forced to separate.
The president has suspended forced separation, but the government has no specific plan to reunite families that have been torn apart by the crackdown.
Let's join my group now, CNN legal analyst, former adviser to the Assistant Secretary of Justice for national security, Carrie Cordero of Tal Kopan, CNN political correspondent, CNN national political and national security analyst David Sanger and CNN President historian Tim navtarli.
Nice to meet all of you.
Tal, you first.
Realizing that this government does not really have a plan to unify parents and children, now you have a court order saying that it has to be done in 20 days, is that realistic?
For so many children displaced across the country, will this happen?
Tal kopan, CNN political correspondent: Fred, this is a good question.
You know, it was only yesterday that we were recognized by the government for the first time by the court order.
This is the first time we have heard from them.
They basically said that we should abide by it.
But they don't provide us with new information on how they will do it.
And, you know, I actually went back and dug--
On May 4, the court heard a family separation case that was already in progress.
Just a few days before they announced zero.
Policy of tolerance.
It turns out that now we know that one of the defendants was actually prosecuted under the pilot of this project.
The judge hired lawyers for the government. will these parents be unified, or is it basically this black hole? the judge called it, where they were detained, and then they and their lawyers found the children.
That's basically what government lawyers say.
Three days later, they promoted it nationwide.
We have always known that this is their plan and it will be up to parents and their lawyers to find their children elsewhere in government custody to reunite them.
WHITFIELD: many of these parents don't really know, Carrie, you know, some of the people in custody, they don't know they can get that representation.
Of course, some children don't even know how to communicate with legal representation of any kind.
When you see such protests across the country, when this government sees these demonstrations, will this affect change in any way or even help speed up these unification?
Carrie cordero, CNN legal analyst: I don't know if the president of the public protest will make a difference because this government is committed to implementing this zero.
The tolerance policy then produces the effect of separating the child from the parent.
What the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the attorney general have done in implementing a policy that will separate children from their families without any plans to unify them.
We have not yet seen the legal reasons for them to separate their families from each other in the first place.
Reunion with children is the right of parents, but it is also the right of children, not to be separated from parents from the beginning, not knowing when they will be reunited or see them again.
It needs to be fixed.
The minister of Homeland Security and the Minister of Health, who need to take responsibility to ensure that these children are reunited with their parents as soon as possible. [13:50:30]
WHITFIELD: When you hear that there is really no plan to get them back together, the government almost admits that they don't really care.
This is a problem. Did they care?
Have they ever thought about it?
Those of you who are concerned about this government, we have been struggling with whether there are deliberate cruelty or whether they are completely incompetent.
Those of us who observe the government and those who observe how this policy is implemented are constantly fighting with which or which one?
In this case, however, they know they have a problem, they know they need to solve the problem, the problem is, who is responsible for this in the government?
David, is it cruel or incompetent? which is it?
David Sanger, national political and national security analyst at CNN: Well, you know, over the years that I 've been covering in Washington, you know, it's almost 25 centuries now, no matter who the government is, usually incompetence wins.
Because normally what happens is that a policy is enacted and no one really checks that it will be right--
What is needed to implement it.
We find this particularly true of the Trump administration.
Because normally, policies create bubbles in a process, right?
At this point, people will sort out how we can do this in a real way and then make suggestions to the president.
In fact, many of the policies here start with the president and his senior aides who will stick to it until someone comes back and says, well, sir, it's actually impossible.
I think it's a bit confusing in this case because I don't think they--
Because they put it bluntly that they want to use this as a deterrent, they don't really care if a process has been set up for unity because it will weaken the deterrent.
Tim, this is a combination of intent and error, and this is the result of all this.
Tim navtarli, CNN's presidential historian: Well, that's--
Based on what David said just now. -
This usually happens in the leadership of the president, which is a bit--
Because you can't control all the parts at the same time, there's no president to control, but it's a government that's understaffed.
Let's not forget that they don't even have people at all levels of government to implement their ideas.
WHITFIELD: But can you blame us for not knowing how to execute the plan and being understaffed?
No, I'm trying--
I'm actually responding to the idea of incompetence.
Another problem is intent.
We know what the purpose is.
After all, the president knows very well that he is more interested in people who happen to be here than those who want to come here.
He's tough on it, and I want to say he's mean about it, but we know very well that he doesn't care if these people come in.
So the fact that the family is dismembered or separated is not a problem for him.
The problem is, we don't need you.
I don't think most Americans think so, but I think the president's intentions have always been clear.
The problem with the president is that he cannot implement his intentions well, and in many cases it may be a good thing, of course, in this matter.
WHITFIELD: Now the conversation is--
Or now the debate is, you know, getting rid of ice, immigration and customs, you know, is that really the answer?
I mean, Carrie, do you think this is a reasonable argument?
Is this the fault of ice?
Is the implementation of this plan ice wrong?
CORDERO: Well, let's get rid of ice, that sounds good.
This is clearly a political attack that some people in the political debate are taking.
I taught a course at Georgetown University on intelligence reform and all the institutions created and changed after September 11.
The Department of Homeland Security and the creation of ice are behind us.
9/11 entities have been created that target terrorism and strengthen our homeland security.
We are now more than 15 years old. And --(CROSSTALK)
So now is the time to modify?
CORDERO: ask if we need to restructure and if these agencies are implementing ---(CROSSTALK)
WHITFIELD: restructuring is different from abolition.
This is the case.
It doesn't make much sense to say that we will abolish the agency.
You need to have an immigration agency to deal with people who want to come here, people who come here illegally and need administrative processing.
That is to say, we will abolish it and ignore the fact that the government needs to play a role.
On the other hand, it is fair to say whether we should re-examine whether these institutions have properly implemented their powers and whether they need to make changes in the management structure.
In fact, there is a letter from the special agent in charge of ICE saying that we are inside the agent and we think things may need to change. [13:55:07]
Are these election questions?
Did you know that this would affect the midterm elections?
SANGER: It will certainly be a problem for both sides, because on the one hand, the president said to many of his supporters ---
His supporters like the concept.
He's basically immigrants. -
One of the main themes of how he was elected.
Will the ice be eliminated-
Remember, on the right, there was a discussion on eliminating the Ministry of Education.
It was suggested that the IRS be eliminated.
Well, at the end of the day, when you're done with it all, you still need to educate the kids and you still need to find a way to tax it.
Even if you eliminate the ice, you still need to find a way to deal with immigration and figure out who will get asylum and who won't, who you will allow to come in on the issue of orderly immigration.
So it seems to me that the removal of the agency is not really at the heart of the problem.
KOPAN: it should be clear to us that this is a policy that ICE is barely involved in.
This is one of the interesting things.
The ice turned into this digital head.
I think part of it is Tom Horman, the former director who has helped it now, but that's not what ice does.
Customs and Border Protection are actually implemented.
This is a completely separate component.
WHITFIELD: Okay.
Thank you to all of you, Tal, Kylie, David and Tim.
I appreciate it. (CROSSTALK)
WHITFIELD: OK, we'll have more updates on these demonstrations from coast to coast.
We will be back soon. (
Business break)
This is CNN's breaking news. [13:59:49]
WHITFIELD: Okay.
Hello everyone, again.
Thank you very much for being with us.
I'm Fredricka Whitfield in Washington, D. C. C.
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From the coast to the coast, demonstrators demanded an end to the separation of zero immigrant families from the White House.
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